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Developer Journal: Itemization Update
« Dato: Marts 05, 2013, 08:27:30 pm »
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Developer Journal: Itemization Update



The item hunt is core to the Diablo experience and we're determined to make it even better in Diablo III. We've made several adjustments to the item game since launch with this goal in mind, but today I wanted to talk about a few of the underlying philosophies that are driving future changes to itemization.

Rarity = Power

One of the big things we want to focus on is making sure items that feel like they are rare and powerful are actually powerful . . .  instead of just rare. The first and most obvious place for improvement here is Legendaries.
By design, Legendary items are going to drop far less often than Rare items, and we want that rarity to be reflected in their power. When a Legendary drops, the question that goes through a player's mind should never be "is this a good item?" It should be "how awesome is it?" For example, if you are playing a Demon Hunter wielding a Rare crossbow and a Legendary crossbow drops, we want your reaction to be "Holy crap, YES!" not "*sigh* another Hellrack." It's a problem if players don't want to bother identifying their Legendaries, let alone pick them up. We want to change this.


Legendary Stat Ranges:

Lots of factors go into making an item good, and one of those factors is how high the stats on the item can roll. When the game first launched, an item's potential stats were largely indicated by its item level. This made it so you'd know in advance whether or not an item was worth the trouble of identifying. In 1.0.5, we made it so that the stat ranges for affixes were based on the level of the monster or container that dropped the item rather than the item's level, which created the possibility of more items rolling competitive values.

We’d like to continue with this line of reasoning and use it to make Legendaries more powerful. In the future, we plan to allow Legendary items to also roll their base stats (weapon DPS and armor value) at the level of the monster that dropped them. So, for example, if you found a Heart of Iron from a level 63 monster, its base armor would be increased to that of Archon Armor and its stat ranges would roll at level 63. This gives us the opportunity to broaden the range of Legendary items, providing players with more diversity. Love Leoric's Signet, but hate wearing a level 17 ring? Me too. Instead of farming Act II Normal to find a Leoric's Signet, let's go farm Inferno and get a level 63 version of the ring!
(Everything we're suggesting for Legendaries also applies to Sets, too, by the way.)


Increased Item Diversity:

Item diversity is a topic that comes up a lot. Right now when people are talking about the best items in the game or looking for ways to improve their power they gravitate towards items with Critical Chance, Critical Damage, and Attack Speed. While these stats are great for boosting your damage they aren’t necessarily interesting or what we like to call "game changing."




We want players to feel like entire new builds can open up if they get their hand on the right items. Glimmers of this idea are already in the game with The Three Hundredth Spear and Thing of the Deep. The plan is to embrace the idea and push them to more extremes. Potential future Legendary item ideas include a Voodoo Mask that increases pet damage, a Barbarian set that makes Call of the Ancients last until they die (after we give them full pet survivability), a Wizard Orb that allowed for two Hydras to be active at once, or the "Ethereal" boots idea I posted here. While these specific ideas may not make it into the game, they are good examples of the kinds of game changing effects we want to introduce to items. It will take time, but our goal is to try to provide players with compelling alternatives to trifecta items when talking about what items they want to acquire.

Less is More

Between Paragon levels, Nephalem Valor stacks, and all the other assorted buffs and bonuses, it's possible to find a tremendous amount of Rare items during any given play session. But the quality of these Rare items just isn't where it needs to be, so even though players see a lot of them, they no longer feel special. When you identify hundreds of Rares and only a small percentage are worth equipping or selling, those items become a burden rather than something to get excited about. "Great. Now I have to identify them all, read their stats, and I’m probably going to salvage all of them." I feel your pain.

We want to make it fun and rewarding to hunt down new items through play, and really instill the feeling that your next awesome item could come from anywhere, and is just around the corner. We need to get rid of some of the clutter first, so we plan to reduce the frequency at which Rare items drop down the road.

Before anyone panics and posts an angry comment in the forums, this doesn't mean we want players to earn even fewer good items. It just means we don't feel it's necessary to present the player with hundreds of bad Rares for every one that they might want. As an example, suppose items currently roll between 1-100 Intelligence. Now, imagine that we dropped 25% as many items, but the Intelligence range was instead somewhere around 75-100. In the end, you'd find fewer items, but more of the items you find would be worth equipping. That's our goal.

(On the topic of identifying hundreds of Rares, it's worth adding that while most of this blog is about overall item philosophy and our goals down the road, one of the short-term changes we're making is adding an "Identify All" option, which should be coming in 1.0.8.)


Gold Sinks Should be Exciting

We frequently discuss the Diablo economy, as we want players to feel that gold is a valuable commodity, useful in ways beyond just the auction house. We don't want out of control inflation, but we also don’t think that taxing players is the proper approach. Ultimately, we want to provide players with things that they are excited to spend their hard-earned gold on.

The most concrete example of how we're supporting this philosophy would be the crafting recipes we introduced in patch 1.0.7. While they aren’t meant to be the silver bullet for all economic concerns, they provide more avenues for people to spend their gold to receive something they can be happy about—in this case, potential upgrades for their character or alts.


For more insight into Bind on Account items, check out Wyatt's 1.0.7 preview here.
Other avenues we want to explore include providing players with vanity options or potential ways to differentiate themselves from their friends or other characters (i.e. character customization options in terms of gear). We are also exploring ways to make crafting more exciting by adding not just more ways to make appealing items, but also introducing ways to modify existing items.



Farm Monsters, Not the Auction House

The auction house is a new addition to the Diablo franchise. And, while it serves many purposes for our players and helps to keep the economy fluid, some would argue that it has done more harm to the game than good. There is value to be had in providing players a way to freely exchange unwanted items for gold, or giving Demon Hunters an easy means to sell unwanted rubies in order to purchase emeralds, but the question has to be asked: is what the auction house provides worth what it took away from some players?

If the "right" way for some people to play the game changes from killing monsters to camping the auction house, is the game better off for it? Ultimately we don't think it is, but we also don't want to take something away that has become such an enjoyable part of the game for others. So, the question instead becomes: how can we refocus the end game away from farming the auction house back to farming monsters? It's a complicated issue, but one we are committed to addressing.

The first solution always presented when we discuss this problem is "Why don’t you just get rid of the auction house?" and while completely removing the feature would in fact fix the problem it created, it would also create a void that the auction house was originally designed to address. For example, we don't want players to feel like the only way to trade with other people is by sitting in chat and spamming "WTS [item link]" and "WTB [awesome item]" all day. This is definitely not ideal.

There are a number of ideas for how to address this long term that don't include removing the auction house outright, and most of the ideas are centered around giving players more ways to find items they are excited about:


  • One idea that we have discussed is “targeted Legendaries,” where named NPCs have an increased chance of dropping specific legendary items. For example, The Butcher could have an increased chance of dropping The Butcher's Cleaver.
  • Another idea is that we introduce a system that will help alleviate some of the bad randomness players encounter by ensuring that at least some of the Rare and Legendary items you find will be something good for your class.
  • We've also discussed allowing bosses the first time you kill them in each difficulty to have a guaranteed chance to drop a Legendary.


The list goes on and, as with all design, nothing is ever final. This is just a snapshot of what we're working on currently with regard to itemization, and we hope to provide more specifics as we get closer to implementing these changes into the live game. In the meantime, we'd love to hear what you think about our approach, since much of what's cited above has been inspired by your feedback.

Travis Day is a Game Designer for Diablo III. His brother, Morgan, also works at Blizzard Entertainment. They're kind of like the Venture Bros, except without the super violent, super secret agent bodyguard. Go Team Blizzard!



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« Svar #1 Dato: Marts 05, 2013, 08:55:51 pm »
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Et par hovedoverskrifter til dem der ikke vil læse det hele:

Legendaries / Sets kan rulle stats, som følge af det monster der dropper item
Nye legendaries / Sets til specielle builds, eksempelvis et barb set der gør at "Call of the Ancients" have effekt til de dør
Identify ALL button i 1.0.8
Knap så mange rare drops, tilgengæld bliver de fundne items buffed
De undersøger mulighederne for mere crafting, eksempelvis mulighed for at ændre eksisterende items
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« Svar #2 Dato: Marts 06, 2013, 12:50:50 am »
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Det er vigtigt! Jeg synes efterhånden, der begynder at vise sig tegn på, at Blizzard har indset, at itemsystemet i D3 ikke er holdbart, og i den grad er underlegent i forhold til et så gammelt spil som D2. Nu kan vi snart finde 'low level' items, der kan være lige så gode som high end items. Det minder lidt om det koncept, vi fik indført i D2, hvor man pludselig kunne opgradere normal items til exceptional items, og exceptional items til elite items. Derudover snakkes der også om ethereal items - også et D2-koncept.

Men jeg kan undres; har de helt set bort fra, hvad der fungerede med items i D2, da de udviklede D3? Der er så meget, der kunne have fungeret bedre fra start af på item-fronten, hvis bare de havde overført nogle af de mest basale ting fra D2's item-koncept.

Men hey; IDENTIFY ALL! Den har jeg længe savnet :)

Jeg er optimistisk mht. fremtiden for D3. Desværre tror jeg ikke, at spillet får sit rigtige gennembrud før en expansion rammer os.

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« Svar #3 Dato: Marts 06, 2013, 08:57:59 am »
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Rart! Lyder vildt fedt, jeg håber dog ikke at de fjerne AH, som de så skriver skal man jo så spamme for at kunne købe items... Det kunne da være man skulle købe three hundreth spear unid og vente til patchen kommer og så id'er man dem alle, det kan være de vil stige helt vildt! Glæder mig vildt meget :)
Er der nogen Ide'er hvornår patchen kommer?? :)

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« Svar #4 Dato: Marts 06, 2013, 10:54:16 am »
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Rart! Lyder vildt fedt, jeg håber dog ikke at de fjerne AH, som de så skriver skal man jo så spamme for at kunne købe items... Det kunne da være man skulle købe three hundreth spear unid og vente til patchen kommer og så id'er man dem alle, det kan være de vil stige helt vildt! Glæder mig vildt meget :)
Er der nogen Ide'er hvornår patchen kommer?? :)

Ved ikke om du mente det med at købe spear unID, men hvis du gjorde, så er items stats bestemt før du ID'er dem.

Nøøøj hvor lyder det godt med de ideer, så må vi bare håbe det faktisk kommer videre fra idé-boardet og implementeret i spillet, fremtiden ser i hvert fald lys ud :)

P.S. Gi' mig en af de nye leoric rings! NU! :P

P.P.S. Identify all funktionen døde med cain imho, kan godt være det er irriterende at skulle id alting enkeltvis, men identify all var noget cain kunne, at smide det ind fordi folk synes det er spild af tid burde ikke være argument nok. Jeg havde personligt forestillet mig/håbet Cain egentligt ikke var død, og så kom tilbage i expansion med en ID all button :D
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« Svar #5 Dato: Marts 06, 2013, 12:39:37 pm »
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lyder rigtig, rigtig spændende, er der nogen der ved hvornår updaten kommer  ? :)
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« Svar #6 Dato: Marts 06, 2013, 12:54:01 pm »
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lyder rigtig, rigtig spændende, er der nogen der ved hvornår updaten kommer  ? :)
Tror ikke du skal regne med noget før april/maj tidligst, vi har jo lige fået en større patch :)
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« Svar #7 Dato: Marts 06, 2013, 02:05:31 pm »
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Fe' nok. Glæder mig allerede til at prøve nye features af. :)

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« Svar #8 Dato: Marts 06, 2013, 02:17:26 pm »
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Det skal lige huskes, dette er kun ideer, der er ikke noget som er 100% endnu ;)
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« Svar #9 Dato: Marts 06, 2013, 07:04:38 pm »
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Det skal lige huskes, dette er kun ideer, der er ikke noget som er 100% endnu ;)

Netop! Det eneste der bekræftes i ovenstående er "identificere alt" i næste patch

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« Svar #10 Dato: Marts 06, 2013, 07:07:06 pm »
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Men jeg kan undres; har de helt set bort fra, hvad der fungerede med items i D2, da de udviklede D3? Der er så meget, der kunne have fungeret bedre fra start af på item-fronten, hvis bare de havde overført nogle af de mest basale ting fra D2's item-koncept.
Jeg har det virkelig også på samme måde - og nu begynder de endelig at arbejde mere imod det...

Også rart at de har tænkt sig at kigge på problemet med at affix ranges varierer helt fra 1-300 på mange ting, lige fedt hjælper det dog hvis de ikke snart gør det fast for våben at rulle et +damage affix..

Og så lyder det ellers til at vi får flere account bound items som er ment til end game - det kunne godt være en meget sørgelig udvikling......

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« Svar #11 Dato: Marts 06, 2013, 09:22:09 pm »
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Of other things we are hoping to have ready for patch 1.0.8 are:
Improved mob density for Acts 1, 2, and 4 so that you do not always feel like you have to farm Act 3 all the time.
Multi crafting to make it easier to craft in bulk, i.e. you will be able to specify how many of any given item or gem you wish to craft.
AH tooltip compare that will make it easier to compare items in the AH with items you are wearing.
We will of course give you more specific information on what exactly will be in the next patch once we get closer to release :-)


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« Svar #12 Dato: Marts 06, 2013, 09:42:43 pm »
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2 little 2 late...
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« Svar #13 Dato: Marts 07, 2013, 10:17:47 am »
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2 little 2 late...

Better late than never? :P

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Of other things we are hoping to have ready for patch 1.0.8 are:
Improved mob density for Acts 1, 2, and 4 so that you do not always feel like you have to farm Act 3 all the time.
Multi crafting to make it easier to craft in bulk, i.e. you will be able to specify how many of any given item or gem you wish to craft.
AH tooltip compare that will make it easier to compare items in the AH with items you are wearing.
We will of course give you more specific information on what exactly will be in the next patch once we get closer to release :-)


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« Svar #14 Dato: Marts 07, 2013, 11:09:24 am »
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Havde et lille sted håbet den der ID all button ikke kom før expansion hvor det så viste sig Cain ikke var død alligevel og fordi vi redder ham, vil han give os funktionen  :)
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